John [00:00:00]: Like, I love you, man. Stop being a bitch. He was being a little bitch and he needed to hear from me. You're being a little bitch. That's not the language that a woman would. And if a woman used that language to a man, that it wouldn't be good. But me as a man telling him that is the highest form of respect, man to man. The fact that I'm going to tell you that means I really care about you. Most people won't tell you that. And, like, we have that level of trust. It seems like a derogatory thing my.

Nicole [00:00:26]: Female brain cannot comprehend. But I mean, it's similar. Like, women aren't as, like, abrasive about it, but one of the girls also talked about telling another girl, like, I don't like the person that you're with. Right. Like, that's essentially the same thing.

John [00:00:40]: Beyond the perfect we discover through our.

Nicole [00:00:43]: Flaws we complete each other. Better than perfect we stay through every fault we find our way.

John [00:00:57]: All right, welcome back to the Better Than Perfect podcast where every week we share with you how two imperfect people helping each other grow equals one better than perfect relationship.

Nicole [00:01:07]: And that's true. And you might notice we're a little bit more casual today.

John [00:01:12]: We're matching.

Nicole [00:01:14]: We're matching.

John [00:01:17]: 37.

Nicole [00:01:18]: 37. Yeah. Our friends made us these for Christmas.

John [00:01:22]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:01:23]: And they're perfect. John was like, we should wear them. So we're a little bit more cash today and for the next episode. Yeah, but they're super cute. Yeah, we love them. We told them that they need to put, like their numbers in the little flamey heart. And then. Yeah, we'll be like a team of love. A team of love. Spreading the message. But yeah, no, yeah, we'll have to have them on the podcast. They just got married.

John [00:01:55]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:01:56]: Yeah, as well. So we'll have to have them on and talk about some things. Whatever they want to talk about or that comes up. Probably soulmates and stuff too, because they're very big into that.

John [00:02:08]: I got trivia.

Nicole [00:02:10]: Trivia.

John [00:02:11]: Okay. Leave a comment down below if you know what the significance of 37 is.

Nicole [00:02:18]: Oh, that's right.

John [00:02:19]: For the long time listeners, what does 37 mean? Why do we have 37 on our shirts? We're not going to tell you. You got to go back through the back catalog of episodes and find the answer, if you don't know it already.

Nicole [00:02:32]: So what will we give them if they get it right? A high five.

John [00:02:38]: Yeah, a high five.

Nicole [00:02:39]: Virtual high five.

John [00:02:40]: Virtual high five.

Nicole [00:02:42]: I mean, I guess they could send us their address we could send them some stickers and a magnet.

John [00:02:47]: Yeah, yeah, we could do that for sure. Yeah, that's. That's. That's good.

Nicole [00:02:51]: First person who gets it right.

John [00:02:53]: Right.

Nicole [00:02:53]: That doesn't know us, like, personally. Because I'm sure, like, yeah, the people who gave us this can't answer.

John [00:03:01]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:03:01]: Because they know, obviously.

John [00:03:03]: But they can still have a sticker and a magnet, though, so.

Nicole [00:03:06]: That's true.

John [00:03:06]: We'll just stand. Deliver it.

Nicole [00:03:07]: That's true.

John [00:03:09]: But, yeah, we got back from Mexico at their wedding. It was amazing.

Nicole [00:03:12]: It was.

John [00:03:13]: We'll talk about it some more on the episode, since the episode is kind of.

Nicole [00:03:16]: Kind of about that, you know, similar sort of thing. Any other, like, updates?

John [00:03:23]: Should we drop the bomb? Bomb?

Nicole [00:03:26]: The bomb. Yes. John and I got a tattoo.

John [00:03:31]: Yes. Let's see.

Nicole [00:03:33]: They're technically matching, but, yeah, we got them with 26 other. Or I guess 24 other people. It's out of focus. But, yeah, it was John's first tattoo. They had, like, a tattoo artist come over and.

John [00:03:55]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:03:55]: You know, I was like, I don't know if I want to get a tattoo. Not in, like, a tattoo parlor. I don't know. It's just, like.

John [00:04:01]: It's a little.

Nicole [00:04:01]: But my first experience for that, too. But they were very, like, sanitary and things like that, so. Yeah, but John was like, a yes right away. I was like, what? Like. I mean, it was a good. It's a good meaning. And I'll let John, like, explain that. But he was like a yes. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. But then ended up doing it. And honestly, like, more and more people kept. Yeah, like, 26 people joining. Did the tattoo in the tattoo. Yeah. And it was including you. Five people.

John [00:04:33]: Oh, five or six. It was either five or six that were brand new first.

Nicole [00:04:36]: Yeah, it was their first tattoo. So it was pretty crazy to see also that many people getting their first tattoo in this environment, which kind of sparked, obviously, like John said today's topic, which is, even when you have your perfect partner and your perfect relationship, how important community is.

John [00:04:58]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:04:59]: And going to this wedding, we were there for multiple days before and then multiple days after, and the community was, like, something we haven't really experienced, like, having that many people together at one time in this community. We have really great friends, including one that records our podcast and helps us with all of that and, you know, multiple other groups of friends. But seeing, like, their group and how, like, they've cultivated this community of friends, and they all had such, like, a Positive mindset. And seeing that all together was just really.

John [00:05:45]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:05:46]: Like, eye opening and different. Like, I had never, like, even my community that I used to have of, like, friends and whatnot in Florida or back in Virginia, like, they're all amazing.

John [00:05:59]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:06:00]: But it was something about this specific group. I don't know how to explain it. Like, not that they're better, but the. The energy. Yeah, yeah, the energy. That. Yeah. I mean, that sounds very, like, woo, woo or whatever, but it was just really great to see that. And it was like a special occasion, you know, like weddings. It's like a loving time. And.

John [00:06:29]: But.

Nicole [00:06:29]: And so there was so much love and, like, feel good feelings that maybe that had a lot to do with it too. It was like a very, like, happy occasion.

John [00:06:38]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:06:39]: And sometimes you're meeting with your community for not so happy occasions, but it's like the comfort that the, like, a community, like, that brings you. And it was just very profound for both of us. And obviously, too. John will explain the tattoo. The word is pronoia.

John [00:06:59]: They're waiting.

Nicole [00:06:59]: They're like, what, sitting on pins and needles?

John [00:07:04]: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. So pronoia. You've probably heard of paranoia, right? Most people have heard of paranoia, but I hadn't heard of pronoia before. But John, our friend that got married to Sabrina, and he came up with this idea of doing the tattoo. At least I think it was him.

Nicole [00:07:28]: So he definitely picked the word.

John [00:07:31]: Yeah, he picked the word so. And. And he told me that he's getting a tattoo with the word pronoia. I was like, oh, what does pronoia mean? And he's like, well, it's the opposite of paranoia. And I was immediately enthralled with that. I was like, okay, so. Because paranoia is essentially, there's a couple definitions, but you could say that it's the belief that the universe is out to get you or that conspiring. Yeah, conspiring against you. Right. So pronoia is the belief that the universe of the world is conspiring for you, which is great. It's just such a great message. And so I was like, okay, well, hey, I haven't gotten a tattoo in my life, but this is a tattoo worth. I want to see that every day and keep that in my mind all the time. I decided for noia, it's such a positive. And there's some synchronicities that are associated with it as well. Because just a couple weeks ago, when we were at Nicole's family or your house for Christmas, I was talking to our daughter Sophia. And your dad was there and we're talking about. Because she was kind of having a. A little bit of a negative mindset. And I told her, I said, wow, the times in my life where I have always thought that the road rises up to meet me and everything always goes my way, no matter what, it ends up just working out for me. It's been true. And the times in my life where I've thought that it just keeps on getting worse and the world is beating me down. It's also been true. And so it's so much better when you have that mindset. Things just magically work out. Like everything just. You attract that. And then when we went to the wedding and this was like, I mean this is a six night wedding, like a six day. We were there for a whole week. The pretty cool idea of having all your friends and stuff come out for a week. But the first night we were there, we were looking for something to watch on TV that wasn't in Spanish because we're in sayulita. Sayulita.

Nicole [00:09:42]: No, you got.

John [00:09:42]: I got. Right.

Nicole [00:09:43]: See your other video you made, you said salucita. I think.

John [00:09:48]: Oh, dang it.

Nicole [00:09:49]: You were right.

John [00:09:50]: It's. But yeah. So we're in Mexico there and the only thing we found on Netflix that was in English was the Secret.

Nicole [00:10:00]: Well, it was tubi. I think it was some like free.

John [00:10:02]: Oh yeah. Or whatever.

Nicole [00:10:03]: It was tv. Yeah. It was a documentary on the Secret, which was the documentary production.

John [00:10:10]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:10:11]: Was a little cheesy, but the message was really good. And it was. It definitely felt like a synchronicity because.

John [00:10:17]: It'S all about it's. It's manifested or it's the law of attraction. Right. So that means that what you think about becomes reality. You attract those things. And then. So then when John had mentioned the tattoo is pronoia, I was like, wow, this is exactly right.

Nicole [00:10:35]: Goes hand in hand.

John [00:10:36]: Plus it was kind of just what I was going through in the last couple of weeks of getting my mindset back. And it's mostly just thinking that everything goes good for you.

Nicole [00:10:49]: Right.

John [00:10:49]: And then it does, you know, like I said, you know, and there's a part of it that it's like it doesn't even matter if it, if it's actually good or bad, but you interpret the things right. So my old business partner used to always give me bad news and we'd give me bad news. He'd say, john, I know what you're going to say. And I'd be like, what Am I going to say? And he's like, you're going to say that's good because. And that's what I used to always say. It's like, no matter what happened, I would say that's good because then I'd figure out why it was good and it turned things around. And when you're in that mindset and you're constantly thinking that way, it doesn't even matter. Everything feels good because even if it's bad, it's actually good because you. You're seeing the good in the bad. Yeah. So. So. So whether it's true that when you think pronoia thoughts that good things happen to you and the road does rise up to meet you or not, it doesn't matter, because when you're in that mindset, everything is good. Literally, no matter what happens, it's good. So it's not possible for something to be bad, and it's just a shift in how you view things, which is so important.

Nicole [00:11:54]: Well, too. I thought what you said before was good, too, that it was a tether to that experience, because singularly, that's why we got the tattoo right? So I think we all 26 of us were like, we can look down if we're ever getting negative and look down at our tattoos and be like, no, the universe is working for me, not against me. And kind of shift that. And like you said, tethering to that mindset and also tethering to the community, like the whole, you know, episode is about, because a lot of people might not even realize that they already have community. Because if you live close by to your family or you, you know, live in a place where you've had, like, a strong friend group for a lot, for a long time, which is. Is how our friends John and Sabrina are. Like, they grew up in San Diego, so a lot of these friends that they had are friends they've had for a long time, but a lot of them were also new. So it was just beautiful to see, you know, that mix of, like, their old friends that have been friends with them for so long and their new friends and even their family, you could tell, like, felt the love of their friends being there. And, you know, it was. It was obvious to everybody. And John and Sabrina, you can tell their love that they have for each other. And it's very spiritual. And their whole ceremony and whatnot was very spiritual, which, you know, is right up our alley. We love that.

John [00:13:29]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:13:30]: And it was very them. Like, it just felt like their wedding, like, how it should be. And the night before, John had given a speech to them and a few other people, and they were just really beautiful speeches. But one that one of the girls said really stuck out to me was that both John and Sabrina are really authentic. And I think that you could tell their authenticity because they also surround themselves with very authentic people. And that also helps create a good community when you can be yourself and feel accepted. Because I think that's what really gives you community. Right? Like, the feeling of, like, I am myself. These people appreciate it. They got my back, like, those sort of things. And it's something about, like, a group of them, like a larger group, because you can feel that way about, like, your individual friends, and maybe, like, you just haven't had the opportunity to get all your friends together to have that, like, shared experience. Experience, you know? But, yeah, it was just. It made me realize that you and I had lacked, like, a big community here. Like, we have friends that we enjoy hanging out with, and we value that time with them, but being with, like, a big group of people that we all connected with, I don't feel like we really had that experience until that moment. Like, we had met some of the people through John and Sabrina earlier. But like you said, being with a group of people for, like, six days straight, like, does bring you closer together and, like, help you get to know people a lot faster. So it was just an experience that you and I hadn't had and that we. We don't really have often, just because our family doesn't live here.

John [00:15:27]: Right.

Nicole [00:15:27]: So we don't even have, like, that sort of community to support us. And even when we went back for Christmas, it was nice having that support. Right. Because a lot of times, like, if we're not hanging out with our friends, then it's just you and me, and we're taking on a lot of stuff. And, you know, we're parents, and we're trying to do it right, and that's hard, but we enjoy the challenge. But it's like when you get into an environment where you're like, oh, I don't have to do it.

John [00:15:56]: All right. Exactly.

Nicole [00:15:57]: You know, like, it's not just all on our shoulders like it normally is, 24 7, you know, it was. It was a nice experience. And it's nice knowing because there was also. Also multiple people that were like, oh, your dog is so cute. We'll watch your dog. And it's like, that's. They didn't even have to do that, you know, like. But you get so close to people and so quickly in those experiences. And it's just. And, like, living together. At one point, we were all in, like, a villa together. So, like, we would get up and we would eat dinners and stuff together. Like, it just made me realize at least, like, how we had been lacking that in some ways, and that we need to have, like, a bunch of people over for, like, dinners or something like that. Like, you know, we talk about it, but you got to actually, like, do it and plan it.

John [00:16:50]: It's. It's interesting. It just made me think of this. It's kind of. You kind of understand the appeal of a cult.

Nicole [00:17:02]: Oh, my God. Well, we did joke about, like, sweatshirts being, like, a cult, but you can.

John [00:17:08]: See how that could actually, you know, because you're eating dinners together. You're, like, living together. You have that community. People need it so much that sometimes they're willing to do crazy things and believe crazy things to fit in because it is such a strong.

Nicole [00:17:27]: Well, we're wired that way. Like, we started out as humans in communities.

John [00:17:33]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:17:33]: And it wasn't just like, that's why they say it takes a village to raise kids. Because it didn't used to be just on the mom or dad.

John [00:17:40]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:17:40]: Like, it was on all the people that were in the community. Right. And I feel like it's normal these days to not have that and not have it in a really deep, profound way, because society as a whole is very focused on the individual and independence. As a society, we've kind of shied away from the community. And I mean, look at the things like Covid, like being locked up in your house and having to stay away from people, you know, like, it's just kind of getting more and more individualized rather than going back to the kind of community.

John [00:18:18]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:18:18]: Lifestyle. So that. You know. But when you're in it, like, you experience it like you and I did, you really see the value in it. And it kind of makes you realize that we were sort of living, you know, a more independent. You know, And I'm not saying that we don't enjoy our time together and things like that, but, like, really cultivating a community that, you know, has that loving environment, too, was. It's also. It's just a profound thing. It's hard to even put into words. But, yeah. I think that even if you have a strong romantic relationship, there's something about having people around you to share the love with, too, that you experience. Because I think, too, it was really profound being there because a lot of people were either engaged or married. And you could also tell that they really loved each other. And so when you find someone that you love so much, like, I love you, it gives you more love to give to other people. And so since I even experienced that and know that, like, so seeing these people who also love each other so much and they're able to easily pour love into other people around them, I think that's, too, why it was such a very, like, profound experience.

John [00:19:43]: Yeah, absolutely. I think that it's sort of an extension of the same dynamics of a relationship. It's a bigger relationship, and the same things are valuable. Right. Like, in order for that to exist in the way that it did, it required a high degree of vulnerability.

Nicole [00:20:04]: Right.

John [00:20:05]: And so everyone there was being, like you said, authentic, but sharing, you know, not hiding, sharing the struggles that they're going through, being real the whole time, not trying to. A lot of times you meet people, even you have friends, and you have very surface level. You don't get into deep stuff.

Nicole [00:20:24]: Well, because they don't want to be judged. But when you live from authenticity, you don't care if you're judged. And, like, if people do judge you, then you kind of realize that you want to be accepted and that maybe that's not even the right thing for you because you want to be authentic, and you want someone to be authentic with you.

John [00:20:47]: Right, Exactly. Yeah. And, yeah, even one of the guys, Christian, had come up to me and was, like, telling me a lot about some pretty deep stuff that was in. In his life and about, you know, crying, and the last time he cried. And it was great. It was beautiful because that was the environment that was being created there, where these. Where it could come out, where these things could be talked about. And, you know, and that's just amazing. And I realized that's what we were missing from our lives, because it's valuable. I've been missing that for my life for a very long time. You know, never had that degree of. Of community. And so. And but for us to be able to enter that as a couple, I feel like it also strengthens a relationship. I think it's also valuable, too, because we've been kind of holding it up in the fortress on our own. And it's actually. The podcast has helped in a way because it's given us some amount of accountability because we're talking about what's going on in our relationship. And so that's actually sort of served as a proxy community for us. Like, you guys are our community. But that's true. But it has, because we're in the public eye. Right, Right. Which has helped us to develop our relationship even better. But I can see how being in a community helps even more so, because if it's a positive community, for example, the men can go and talk together and support each other in a way that they wouldn't want to appear weak in front of their woman. But another man can get another man's struggle and help him and guide him in his masculinity and his relationship. And when it's a positive thing, you know, I won't. I don't want to name names, but definitely one of the guys needed some help where, you know, he was having issues with his girl and they're getting into a bit of a tussle and, and whatnot. And he was being a little. And he needed to hear from me, you're being a little bitch. You know, and that's, you know, it's funny, but, like, that's not the language that a woman would. And if a woman used that language to a man, that it wouldn't be good.

Nicole [00:23:02]: No.

John [00:23:02]: But me as a man, me telling him that is the highest form of respect, man to man. That, like, it's like, like the fact that I'm going to tell you that means I really care about you. Right. Because most people won't tell you that. And like, we have that level of, of trust where that's, that's a meaningful thing. It seems like a derogatory thing my.

Nicole [00:23:24]: Female brain cannot comprehend. But I mean, it's similar. Like, women aren't as, like, abrasive about it, but like, one of the girls also talked about telling another girl, like, I don't like the person that you're with. Right. Like, that's essentially the same thing. Without being like, yeah, but it's, you.

John [00:23:43]: Know, it's like, it's like, it's like, I love you, man. Stop being a. Right. It's like, you know, that's, that's where. But. But it's so helpful and useful to have positive guys that are helping you with the relationship making you instead of. Because what we do as humans, as we focus on the other person and what's wrong. And when you have a good community and a good group of guys around you, they say, no, no, no, we are you doing. Like, let's focus on you. Right? Whereas when you have a bad group of people, they. They're like, oh, yeah, they're horrible. Blah, blah, blah. They're. They're creating a wedge. I mean, sometimes it needs to be when it's a real severe situation, and this person's. No, no good. But same thing with women. They can be together and be feminine together, and then we can all come together and. And, you know, it. It's. It's a useful thing to help to grow. So I think a lot of relationships, you know, we. We talked about that almost always it's an external factor that destroys a relationship. I forget which episode.

Nicole [00:24:47]: Right.

John [00:24:47]: That we talked about, but I think also an external factor can also be a powerful force on making a relationship stronger.

Nicole [00:24:56]: Yeah.

John [00:24:56]: If you have a good community because you're getting the support you're getting, you're seeing other people by example who are further along than you in the relationship. And so it creates this environment where you can help some people who you're ahead of and other people who are ahead of you can help you and grow you. And you. You all are on that same mission and goal. And so I think community is extremely powerful from. For strengthening the relationship as opposed to, you know, like I said, we've been kind of doing it on our own, kind of like. But it's hard because you got to fight all the battles on your own. Can't really, you know, haven't had people to bounce the things off of. And. And the podcast has certainly helped with that. But. But the community is something that I'm super excited about, and I'm glad that my eyes were open to this because. Wow, it's so much easier to do it together than to do it alone, you know?

Nicole [00:25:46]: Right. Well, and the key, too, is creating a community with, like you said, positive influence. Because even in, like, your family, there can be negative influence.

John [00:25:56]: Right.

Nicole [00:25:56]: And I'm not saying kick your family to the curb, but it's like, you should cultivate a community that is positive, like you said, because if you don't, then, like, you had mentioned, too, that it can influence you in a negative way.

John [00:26:11]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:26:12]: And that's not what you want. Like, you're. You should be cultivating a community that brings a positive influence to your life. And, like, it made me realize that we could be better at building our community because we do have friends.

John [00:26:26]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:26:27]: But we haven't, like, got them all together. Right. Like, in a way, like, they did. And where I think the most profound thing from this past week was that even the, like, couple getting married, like, it wasn't all on their shoulders to connect. Like, everyone connected with each other separately.

John [00:26:52]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:26:53]: Even though that was the common denominator. And so when you have a good community like that, like, everyone's creating their own connections.

John [00:27:01]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:27:02]: And they're still meaningful because everyone, like you said, is being authentic and genuine and vulnerable.

John [00:27:08]: Right.

Nicole [00:27:08]: Like, I think you're 1000% right, that a lot of it, too, was that people were vulnerable. And like, yeah, we know what that takes for people to be vulnerable. We know that that can feel scary. And so these people felt safe enough with us to tell us these things. Right. And to tell them to a group of people.

John [00:27:30]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:27:32]: Like, we had met a lot of them for the first time. A lot of them have had met a lot of the people for the first time, but you honestly couldn't tell if you were on the outside looking in based on the conversations that were being had. So. Yeah, it was just. It made me realize that, you know, if you get your good group of people that you have together and bring them together and help them develop relationships and connections with other people, and that was something that we weren't really utilizing as much as we could, and that you can always make new friends and have new experiences, and that's a beautiful thing. And, you know, a lot of the people, too, that we met are moving, you know, from San Diego. So it's like. But you can still create even a connection and maintain a connection with those people, even from afar. And, like, I've always had that mindset, though, is like, if I. I have tons of friends still in Virginia, I have tons of friends still in Florida. And, like, they will always mean so much to me. And it's not like they're cut off or they're forgotten. Like, they. They still hold that special place that they always had before. But it was nice, you know, coming together also, too, like, in the physical and, you know, having those, like, person to person experiences. But you can still have them even with your friends that are further away. Maybe you, you know, schedule like a group call and, like, everybody gets on like a zoom call or something, and there's multiple ways to do it. Yeah, you plan like a trip or, you know, like, there's so many ways. So it was just really eye opening. And, you know, I kind of was feeling it. Even when we went back to Virginia, I was like, oh, it's just nice. Like, it's all on us, you know, and these people care about us and they want to help us. And, you know, it's. And then when we went, I was like, oh, this is like the friend version. Right? Like, we had the family version of the community and then the friend version. And it's funny too, because obviously our friends who Got married, had their family there, too, and their family was part of the community, and that was really beautiful to see, too. And so, like, you know, and it doesn't always work out that way. Like, you know, maybe if our families came out here and we got our friends together, they would have that experience. But it's harder when you have the distance, like, physically. It's easier when you can get together an actual physical presence. But there are ways to make it work. And it was just really beautiful experience.

John [00:30:09]: It changes the nature of the experiences that you go through in life, especially the more difficult ones, because there was this one night when we were coming back to the villa on our golf cart, and we had. We had a caravan of two golf carts with loaded with people, and we're going down this sketchy, kind of like, backwoods road. We didn't know there was, like, a police car that ended up giving an escort, but we weren't sure if they're. Yeah. And it was dark and it's scary, you know, but it was just a fun experience because even though we were kind of going the wrong way or whatever, we had so many people there.

Nicole [00:30:53]: Right.

John [00:30:54]: It turned. But if it were just me and you on a golf cart at night, not sure which way to go, are we going the right way and the police are there? Yeah. It would have been a much more stressful and scary experience. Right. But sometimes those hardships you go through, the difficult things actually become. When you've got a group, you've got a community, they become something that is actually just a more pleasant experience. Like, it changes the nature of the experience. And so. And I think that's the thing also that kind of clicked with me in life is it's like sometimes it might feel like life is hard or you got all these, but if you had more people to share that with, then those things might not feel like as heavy of a burden or struggle. You know what I mean?

Nicole [00:31:39]: And you can feed off each other's energy.

John [00:31:41]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:31:41]: Because I think the thing too is, like, your community has to be people you trust, too.

John [00:31:45]: Right.

Nicole [00:31:46]: Because even though we met a lot of these people for the first time, like I said, it was kind of accelerated because we were together, so. Yeah, like, exactly. Often and for so many days that, like, you could tell that people trusted other people.

John [00:32:01]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:32:02]: And that is the key. Right. Because no one's going to be vulnerable if they don't trust that. You're going to, like, respond to that in a proper way. Right. Like, they might initially, but they're not going to continue to do that because they'll realize that's not safe for them. But you could tell that everybody really, like, trusted in each other, and that's why they would open up and things like that. And I think that, like, people are afraid to trust other people, right? Like, they've either been burned by people, by their friends, by their family, by people they care about. And so even if they're, like, friends with you, they're hesitant. And also, too, like you said, with us doing this podcast and being vulnerable and putting ourselves out there, there's tons of people who are like, don't put your stuff on the Internet for people to judge and critique. But it's like, yeah. And so I think that's why people are a little bit afraid, even your friends, to talk about, like, the struggles that they're going through, or they only really, like, learned how to do it in a negative way. And so they're afraid, like, they're afraid to talk about their struggles. They're afraid to not look perfect. They're afraid to be judged. And I understand all these things. And like I said, I think society as a whole, it's on society for a lot of reasons, for pushing us to be independent and pushing us to be, like, so secretive so that people don't know what we're going through. But the thing that actually brought us closer with these group of people is that they were vulnerable and they told us things that, you know, they trusted us with. And they weren't pretty things. They were hard things. And, you know, I think if we start doing that more with people that we trust, I'm not saying going around and tell everybody your life story, you know, like, you know who you can trust and who you can't trust, but.

John [00:33:56]: Exactly, yeah.

Nicole [00:33:57]: You know, nobody can take those things from you. Like, every time we post a episode and, you know, we're airing out our laundry and stuff, I'm not ever worried, like, oh, someone's gonna, like, see our, like, our vulnerabilities and they're gonna, like, judge us.

John [00:34:15]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:34:15]: Because at the same time, I'm like, one, we're ahead of them because we're just owning them. They can't use them against us like we've talked about. And two, I know where you and I are at, and I know who you and I are, and people can say whatever they want about who they think you and I are, but we know. And we also know that the people who actually are around us would vouch for everything that we do here. Because how Many people at that wedding were like, your guys love is so beautiful. And like, you can tell, like how you guys feel for each other. You can't fake those things. Like, they weren't just telling us what we wanted to hear. They were seeing it for the six days. So it's like when you live from an authentic place to. Nobody can weaponize those things against you because you've owned who you are, you've owned your experience, you've owned that. Hey, I'm giving this to you because I trust you with this information and it brings you closer to the people.

John [00:35:18]: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And we're a work in progress. Everyone is. And I think I was telling Sophia about this, about how when you share the vulnerabilities, when you're telling people the things that you might be embarrassed about, it actually makes them like you more. Right. It doesn't make them like you less. Now there's some bad apples out there that will always comment some stuff, but they're struggling and actually looking for some.

Nicole [00:35:48]: Their vulnerabilities, and that's why they want pick on yours.

John [00:35:52]: Yeah, but it's, it's, it's good. And you do have to have the right people, but you'll attract the right people if you got the pronoia. That's true type of, of mindset. And, and yeah, it is something that now I, I see that it's better and, and I've always talked about, you know, men need to have a good group of men to, you know, and stuff like that. But it's, it's even more important than what I had initially thought. You know, it's like, in. Women need to have that as well. And if you can have that together as a couple, then that's even better because that's how you really develop that strong, strong support system that you're going to need when, when things go wrong. And you got examples that you can follow too. Right. There is a lot of people that, that looked up to us that were like, okay, I want to make my relationship more like your relationship. And even just us not drinking, there is several people that are like, oh, I want to do this too. I want to like, you know, because people are used to doing that. So you can have that kind of influence and be influenced. So that's why also it is important in, in who you're around. But, but if you have a positive group of people that are set on working on their relationships and improving, then that's, it's great. You, you get, you get better together.

Nicole [00:37:11]: So yeah, well, and I think too, another thing that John and Sabrina have taught us, and definitely me, is that we need to bring our friends closer together. Like, bring them together more because they're constantly, like, having people over their house. Like a group of people. Not even necessarily like one couple, like just one of sometimes, you know, we'll go over there and it's just us four. But, like, they also try to get a bunch of people together. And I think that that's something that we could do better.

John [00:37:43]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:37:43]: Because like I said, like, other relationships can blossom and then that's more community for our friends as well, too. Like, we're building a community, but also, like helping our friends build a community. Because I'm sure there's plenty of people here that were in the same listening, that were in the same boat as you and I, and they're like, well, I got, like, friends. I hang out with my friends. Like, you know, I got people. But bring those people together, like, give them that experience, you know, And I think that's what John and Sabrina do really well. And they constantly do it not just for their wedding.

John [00:38:17]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:38:18]: You know, they're always bringing people together. And so that's something that you and I can do better now that we, like, they've influenced us, of course.

John [00:38:27]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:38:27]: You know, to be better about that, because we can do better and we can create a wonderful environment for our friends just like they've created. And obviously they're a part of that and, you know, just spreading that because that's, that's what we need and that's why we're here, like, to spread the positive, to, like, get back to humans needing each other. Like, men and women need each other and we all need a community.

John [00:38:54]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:38:55]: Yeah, we need that.

John [00:38:57]: Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And it's, it's interesting, I was going to say, about just. Oh. Because we're going to talk about it in the next episode some too, but of the idea of, like, what is doing the work and doing the work, you know, what does that really mean? But you have to create relationships that are not superficial relationships in order to really build it, which means sometimes going first and you know, one of the very first conversations we got when we had when we went to the house and met up with. With everyone was the story of how we met.

Nicole [00:39:30]: Yeah.

John [00:39:30]: And I didn't spare any details.

Nicole [00:39:32]: No, it was literally an hour.

John [00:39:34]: Yeah. It's not a pretty story, though. It's going to be a movie someday. But, you know, but, but it's, it's a Vulnerable story. I mean, it's hard to share some of that.

Nicole [00:39:45]: That stuff because people could easily judge you.

John [00:39:48]: Judge you for sure. Right. But you know, that opens up the door right. When you, when you do that. Because a lot of our relationships, they can stay at surface level. You got to go deep, which means getting raw, which means sometimes revealing some information and saying, okay, this is how I feel about this, or this is what happened to me. And then that opens up the other person or the other people that are around. And that's when you really get something that's valuable rather than just hanging out and keeping that service level stuff. You don't have to go, like, have deep shit every time. You can have fun, but that's what creates that. It's just the same thing in a relationship. You can't have a romantic relationship and not go deep otherwise.

Nicole [00:40:42]: That's how you inspire people. People are more likely to be inspired because they're listening to you talk about the struggles that you went through, and then they're like, oh, okay, well, I've had my own struggles. Like, if you're just like, oh, it's sunshine and rainbows all the time, people are going to be like, my life's not like that.

John [00:41:02]: Right.

Nicole [00:41:03]: So I can't have what they have. Like, even though that's not true.

John [00:41:07]: Right.

Nicole [00:41:08]: That's what people do. And that's why when you talk about, like when we talk about like how we met and things like that, or, you know, I have a friend coming to me about they met somebody, I'm like, look it, you know best. And you know, based on my story, that it's sometimes it's really rocky.

John [00:41:28]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:41:28]: But that doesn't mean you can't get the result that you want. Like, we've all been in a place in our lives where it's been hard or we made mistakes or, you know, whatever it might be. And when you hear other people conquering those things or working through those things, it inspires you because you're like, they did it. And they told me, like, what they went through and I believe them. And so I can do that too.

John [00:41:55]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:41:56]: And so like you said, like, it's. It's very easy for people to judge us.

John [00:42:02]: Right.

Nicole [00:42:02]: Based on how you and I met.

John [00:42:04]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:42:05]: But the thing is that we try to show people is that it can be a total mess.

John [00:42:12]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:42:13]: And it can still work out.

John [00:42:15]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:42:16]: And I think that's important. And that's like you said, like, we inspired people, like, and we didn't have to hide those Things that. No, you know, aren't the shiny parts of us.

John [00:42:29]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:42:30]: And that's what creates, like you said, that intimacy, that deep connection is showing the not shiny parts.

John [00:42:36]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:42:36]: And helping. Like, then you're inspired and you want to help each other and you want to, you know, in, like, help influence. You want to help that person grow. You want to be there, you know, for them. It's. It creates that. That really deep connection, like you said, which is very important. And the last thing I wanted to add, unless you have something else, is that if you're a couple, it's not mandatory you have couple friends, but it will help your relationship to have friends that are a couple, because, like you said, you can, you know, discuss the struggles you're having in a way that's going to be way more beneficial to both of you.

John [00:43:22]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:43:23]: Like you said, like, the guys can go off and talk about the guy things, and the girls can talk about the girl things. But I think the biggest thing when it comes to having couple friends is that you should look for people who don't talk poorly about their partner.

John [00:43:36]: Right, exactly.

Nicole [00:43:36]: And a lot of people do this because they don't know any better, and they don't know how to talk, you know, about their partner in a respectful way. And the first thing is that they need to learn to respect their partner again. But it's a huge difference. Talking with someone that respects their partner and might be having frustrations.

John [00:43:55]: Right.

Nicole [00:43:56]: But they still respect their partner, even in those frustrations. And that's very important. And that is key to just having a good relationship, even when it's just you and your partner behind closed doors is like, yeah. Having that respect for them and knowing that there's someone else that you know that has respect for their partner like that. And that's how it should be for most people. Right. Like, even if you have a grievance, you can still talk about it with your friend in a respectful way. Like, you should never be talking about your partner in a way that you wouldn't tell them to their face or that would, like, hurt them intentionally. So when you're building your community, I'm not saying that you have to only have, you know, friends that are absolutely in love and do everything perfect, because, again, we're not perfect. But as a couple, it's really beneficial to have friends that are a couple because you can learn from them and they can learn from you. And yeah, you know, it's. It's that community. Like, it creates more of that sense of community and like they can relate more to what you're going through. And especially if you're married, like you're going to be married, you made a commitment for the long haul. Like, you know, you can still have single friends. I'm not saying you can't. But at the same time, they're not at this stage yet. And I'm not saying you have to kick them out until they get to the stage. But the thing is you are in different places. And so, you know, it's, it's better for you to at least have a good amount of couples.

John [00:45:35]: Right.

Nicole [00:45:35]: In your inner circle, in your community that you can rely on because it will benefit not only you as an individual, but you as a couple as well.

John [00:45:45]: Yeah. And you can have a different kind of friendship when you have couple friendships where it's almost a multiplicative effect because you have an interaction with that couple. Like you value the couple as a friend. And I think that's fabulous. You got your individual relationships and friendships, but you have the couple ones. And I think that is important. Right. To have that to seek out. And it also keeps you out of trouble, right. If you have all these single friends.

Nicole [00:46:17]: Who want to go out to the bars or. Yeah.

John [00:46:20]: Doing single person things. And then also it's splitting you up. You're spending time with your, your friends and he's with his friends, she's her friends. But when you have friends in common, then you, you know, it makes it so that you're, you're together more often.

Nicole [00:46:35]: Right? It's a community.

John [00:46:37]: Exactly.

Nicole [00:46:37]: You can't have community without togetherness in some form. Right?

John [00:46:41]: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, yeah, so that's great. Yeah. I think it's been an eye opening experience for me just to see that. And I've always been somewhat of a lone wolf and I can do it, but it's better to have the group around because I even did a video. Like, was it like a couple years earlier? Maybe it was last year or something. I was like, I'm 44, have no friend. You know, it's like. And, and it wasn't, you know, I was just saying, like, yeah, you know, I just really don't hang around with many people. I just kind of do my own thing. And, but, but I see the value in, in that especially like I said, as a couple, having a community, having a couple friends that you can, you can spend time with, because it does, it does really help, you know. So.

Nicole [00:47:33]: Yeah, it's good.

John [00:47:35]: Yeah. And yeah, and it was great. It was great to have this Whole, you know, a six day thing where you could really get deep into and really see that environment. In fact, it was one of the best experiences I've had in my life. I would say the only experience that is close to this in terms of like, that feeling of like a community of love was when I went to the Tony Robbins seminar to Date with Destiny where you're there actually for six days with it. And what's interesting about that is you get a team and you're that group. So you create. He creates these little communities and, you know, everybody's helping each other figure out their stuff and revealing importance, like their hearts and. And you have this huge room of 6,000 people all like a just love. You just feel love.

Nicole [00:48:24]: Right.

John [00:48:25]: You know that because he's created that environment.

Nicole [00:48:27]: Well, and they're there to do the work. Yeah, right. Ex. And so, yeah, that's also like your intention matters too, and it will create a deeper connection for you and anything because even if you're just hanging out with one or two friends, like, you can still create that profound connection if you're with people who also want that. Right. Like, and you can't force them to do it. Right, but you can inspire them to do it.

John [00:48:52]: Right. Or you can create the environment. Right. It's like if you've got that environment and you're fostering that environment with your community and then you invite people into it, then they're going to accept the norms of the group, which is, hey, we're open and loving and we care about each other and we share this stuff and we don't just be at a surface level.

Nicole [00:49:12]: Right.

John [00:49:12]: We don't just, we don't be a jerk to, you know, and so that's. It opens that up.

Nicole [00:49:17]: So that's right.

John [00:49:18]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:49:19]: And you said it too, like, with that many people together, because I think there was like 20 over 20 something people, like in the same living space and together, you know, all the time, like, probably even more than that. And there were like, no issues. There was very minor, like, things. I feel like the only thing was with someone who wasn't even really around the group as much.

John [00:49:42]: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Nicole [00:49:44]: So, like, that was also pretty, like affirming to see that, like, with that intention of like, connection and authenticity and just love and, you know, that environment, like, even kept any negativity out.

John [00:50:02]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:50:02]: And I think that's too why a lot of people got the pronoia tattoo because they experienced it for those six days. Right. And then they wanted to keep that going because they knew. They knew what they were capable of. They knew what was inside of them. And so it didn't surprise me that so many people got the tattoo.

John [00:50:22]: Oh, yeah.

Nicole [00:50:22]: For the meaning and because they experienced the same things. I mean, we're all in a group chat and it's still. The love is still pouring through, you know, and so it's. It's profound what you can inspire in other people. And hopefully this whole episode has inspired people to, you know, connect on a deeper level and.

John [00:50:44]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:50:45]: Bring their community together. Create their community and, you know, spend time, more time with those people and, you know, spread the love, basically.

John [00:50:55]: Yeah. Plug into some community or make one, you know, I think that's something that we, especially today, we need more of because there's so many people that are. Are so alone, they feel alone. There's a loneliness epidemic, and there's all these people that are alone feeling loneliness that can get together and build a community.

Nicole [00:51:16]: It's funny, too, because another synchronicity. I was reading this book about Hygge, which, if you don't know what that is, it's like the Danish. It's basically a feeling of coziness and safety and happiness. And he was talking about how, you know, happiness isn't measured in wealth like people think it is. It's measured in the community, the time spent with people. And granted, their thing is, like, it's a smaller group of people normally that you're hanging out with, but it really can't be done. They say the right way without at least having a few other people that you're hanging out with and having that cozy, you know, happy experience. So again, it was another, like, synchronicity. Reading that book at the same time.

John [00:52:09]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:52:09]: As, like, all this is going on and seeing that, like, you know, the key to happiness is being around other people. And it makes sense because, like I said, going back to where humanity all started, we weren't just by ourselves. Wandering around, like, that was dangerous, like, and it wasn't fun. And it probably caused them to feel really lonely. And so then they started, you know, they had the communities and everybody leaned on each other. That's another thing, too, is, like, when it's just you two, it's like, who we're gonna, like, lean on each other, but we might need someone else to lean on or some other people to, like, help. Help us. And so, yeah, it was just. It was a. A really great experience.

John [00:52:55]: Yeah, I think we're.

Nicole [00:53:00]: What's our thing for the segment?

John [00:53:02]: Once again, we emerged victorious. I Don't think we have anything. We didn't have any fights, any arguments.

Nicole [00:53:12]: I mean, I guess in the car over here, you were upset that I didn't empathize with what you're talking about.

John [00:53:20]: I wouldn't even call that anything. But I shared a video and you had said something about relating to. Well, the content of the video was how things aren't necessarily gonna get better. Right. Like, you have good times and those will end, but bad times can just keep on going, like if you can't wait it out. And I was talking about how at one point in life I was on top of everything and just like had everything going on with, with my life. All the, like, you know, just kicking ass and, and all that stuff. And then, and then, you know, shortly after I met you, that part, everything went downhill.

Nicole [00:54:07]: That's exactly what it sounded like.

John [00:54:09]: Well, but I took my foot off the gas. You know, I started. Yeah. You know, they call it fat and happy, but it's, it's when you. But. But it was a combination of things too. It wasn't just that. It was also just I was feeling burnt out from my racing and running ultramarathons, running 100 mile weeks and, and I just was like, oh, I just need to start taking some break and just chill. And that was, you know, and then my life started spiraling down in terms of business and, and, and the things that. In the mindset. In the mindset, you know, that's why I got out of the pronoia mindset. So. Yeah. So anyway, with that video, you know, it's pretty deep to me, obviously, like.

Nicole [00:54:53]: No, it was.

John [00:54:54]: Yeah.

Nicole [00:54:54]: And then it was a really good message. Yeah, it just did sound like that I ruined your life. And that wasn't the first time that I've been like, john, I ruined your life. Because I know you've been going through this for a long time. And so like, the video was really good, but I, it felt like a confirmation that I ruined your life at the same time.

John [00:55:16]: So. And then, and then I, and then I had, you know, obviously I felt the way about that because I just shared this thing and then you're focusing on that aspect of it as opposed to the thing that I just. The vulnerable thing that I shared through the video. And so. But, but I think we both handled it extremely well. It wasn't an argument or a fight. No, I just mentioned that it felt a little bit like the wire spool thing, which we'll talk about in the next episode. But there's a video On. On the Internet that a lot of people are familiar with about this guy sharing with his. His wife about, you know, an important thing. And then she asked about his jets hat. And. But you also handled that extremely well and understood what I was saying. And then, you know, I didn't want.

Nicole [00:56:02]: To take away from your message. I apologize.

John [00:56:05]: No, and. And, yeah, and then. But then I looked over a few minutes later, and you're. And you're crying, and I was like, what's wrong? And then you told me that it's because you're afraid that you ruined my life. You know, and so, you know, I reassured you that it's like, you. You did ruin that life, but that. But. But it's not. But you help me rebuild a better one. Right? It's like that thing needed to be torn down to be rebuilt and to be rebuilt as a better man. You know, I would not trade. Even though, like, yeah, I was at my peak at that time in my mind, and I had the right mindset that had to be torn down in order to create the new version of John that now has the better attributes in the relationship and being a better fo. Better. A better father and better friend and better human being in general. And now I'm getting the mindset back. So something had to be torn down in order for that to be built up. But, yeah, so I reassured you on.

Nicole [00:57:20]: That, and you reassured me, I have ruined your life, but for the better.

John [00:57:25]: For the better. Yeah. And I felt like I handled that really well, too, because I didn't get upset about you being upset. You know, we both allowed each other the space and supported each other and the two things that we were both going through. And that was great. There was no argument, no fighting, no animosity towards each other in that whole process, but it was an experience that we had. And. Yeah, so I think. I mean, maybe those are. Maybe it doesn't always have to be a bad thing that we share. Maybe it's like, this is just what we're doing, but.

Nicole [00:57:56]: Well, it's not supposed to be a bad thing. It's supposed to be, like, a struggle or, like, you know, a hard. Which, like. Cause it is hard because I, you know, I hurt your feelings. I didn't mean to, but then I was like, you know, I'm watching it, and all I hear is, nicole ruined my life. You're like, I had everything. And then I met this girl who was wonderful, which was nice of you to say, but then you're like, but then my life went to Shit. And I'm like, great. Like, and your message was good. And I had said that, you know, but I was still stuck on the part where it was like, I ruined his life. But.

John [00:58:27]: And I think the lesson, like what I learned from it is just like when that happened, I just pointed out to you gently that this felt like this wire thing, but I didn't get upset and get mad and like, you know what I mean? It's just, let me just, I felt like, let me be vulnerable and let you know this.

Nicole [00:58:47]: Right?

John [00:58:47]: And then you responded. So it's like we're getting so much better at those interactions where that could have, you know, maybe the a year ago version of us, it could have been a big eight hour discussion. I'm sure it could, it could have been very easily. But I, I've learned a lot in the last year to be like, okay, if something happens, don't just be like, oh, how could you do this? Instead to just be like, oh, just make you aware this is what's happened. This is my experience right now. This is what I'm feeling right now. This is what's happened. And when it comes out that way, you're going to respond positively to that because it's not coming out as an attack to you. I'm not being defensive, have to be defensive. And then even, and then the same with, with, with the other side of it, you let me know what was going on. You know, we held the space for you for, for that and, and, and the reassurance and that. Because I, because again, it could have been like, oh, how many times have I told you that you didn't ruin my life? You know, it's like, but no, you're feeling that moment in that moment and I can reassure you about that. And, and it's a good thing, you know, and it's a sweet thing that you feel like you're. I've been so concerned about that because.

Nicole [01:00:06]: I've been concerned about it. Then you show me this video and I'm like, okay, great. I really did ruin his life. Even though he keeps saying no, because.

John [01:00:14]: I love you more than anything. I would trade everything like I said, I would live in a cardboard box and be with you and I just.

Nicole [01:00:21]: Need to do push ups.

John [01:00:22]: Yeah, yeah. Because I gotta keep the muscles. But you know, that's the one thing I gotta keep. But, but you know what I mean?

Nicole [01:00:29]: They're not going anywhere.

John [01:00:30]: No, they're not. But yeah, but so, yeah, so it's good. But yeah, I hope you know that you are the most important thing in my life. Not. Not you. You have. You have saved my life and I ruined it.

Nicole [01:00:46]: Well, I'm sorry I got stuck on the. Because your message was good and I did tell you that. And I know that it's still though me mentioning feeling like I ruined your life took away from the message that you were promoting in it. It was a good message.

John [01:01:01]: Yeah.

Nicole [01:01:02]: And I'm just glad to see you're back with the mindset that you had.

John [01:01:07]: Yeah. Before.

Nicole [01:01:08]: And I know that. And it's better that you did it this way and you figured it out in your own time, in your own way, because that's the only way that we can do anything.

John [01:01:20]: Yeah. I mean, the real deep truth of it too, is that nobody can ruin your life. Only you can do that. You know what I mean?

Nicole [01:01:28]: Still felt like I ruined your life. But the way you explained it made a lot more sense than just saying.

John [01:01:34]: And I'll explain it as many times as I need to because you're worth that.

Nicole [01:01:39]: So thank you.

John [01:01:40]: But yeah, but no, seriously, like, I'll say it many, many times, but you have made a better man out of me and made me want to be a better man and have helped me through so many things and have saved a part of me that I had buried and let go of. And that part of me coming back out had to shake everything up and figure out how that becomes the primary and the other thing has become the secondary when the more of the ego was the primary before and the other things were secondary. So that requires a shakeup and it requires a tearing down, but then a building back up. And so that makes sense. That's the process.

Nicole [01:02:27]: But without getting too mushy though, you were always that man. But maybe like you said, it was buried deep down and you forgot what you were capable of. But I'm firmly believe that you've always been this way.

John [01:02:40]: Oh, you brought it back out. So that's. I love you.

Nicole [01:02:49]: Let's go before they throw up. Well, leave us a review. You could even leave a throw up emoji after watching this end segment if you want. That will be better than banana fingers at this point.

John [01:03:07]: Still, just to be clear, it's on Apple podcast, which we do appreciate the banana fingers, but.

Nicole [01:03:13]: Right. Yes.

John [01:03:14]: Like let's. Let's get something.

Nicole [01:03:15]: Banana fingers has had its time.

John [01:03:17]: Yeah. Let's build the community. And you know, it also makes me realize like, let's build a community around this podcast. So leave a comment. Even if you just mostly silently listen. Yeah, let's build a community. Which means, you know, start talking.

Nicole [01:03:32]: Yeah, yeah.

John [01:03:33]: Ask some questions. Send us an email@betterthanperfectpodcastmail.com and who knows, maybe we'll make a little school group or something.

Nicole [01:03:43]: And have an actual community.

John [01:03:45]: Yeah, exactly. All right, we'll see you next week.

Nicole [01:03:48]: See you in five minutes. Through every fault we find no way.